The best value 12V 50ah lithium deep cycle battery on the market
The 12V 50ah battery is perfect for trolling motors to stay on the water all day. Monitor your battery with the Ionic Bluetooth App.
The Ionic 12V 50ah Lithium Deep Cycle Battery is the most competitively priced lithium deep cycle battery on the market and also comes with an 11 Year Battery Warranty to give you peace of mind with your purchase.
World Class Safety Features
Ionic Litihum Deep Cycle 12V50-EP has 12 volts and a 50Ah capacity and is perfect for powering your deep cycle systems. Ionic deep cycle batteries have an internal microprocessor controlled battery management system (BMS) that monitors the key operational parameters during charging and discharging, such as voltages, currents and internal temperatures. Ionic deep cycle batteries can be hooked up 4 in series and as many needed in parallel.
Built for Long Lasting Reliable Power
The Ionic Deep Cycle Battery has a cycle life of 3,000 cycles or about 10 calendar years. Our lithium-ion batteries have a usable capacity of 99% compared to 50-60% for traditional lead-acid batteries]. LithiumHub Deep Cycle batteries function in the widest range of temperatures with a discharge temperature range (Functional) of –20°C to 60°C (–4°F to 140°F) and a charge temperature range of 0°C to 45°C (32°F to 113°F). Automatically detects if batteries are too cold to take a charge.
The Ionic Lithium Deep Cycle Battery line has the best weight to power ratio on the market
At 6.5” (L) x 7.7″ (W) x 7.0” (H) and weighing only 14.3 lbs., the Ionic Deep Cycle 12V50-EP has the best size to power ratio of any deep cycle battery on the market. Connectors: M6 screws allow the battery to be installed in any direction unlike lead-acid batteries which are fixed. Ionic Deep Cycle Batteries self-discharge rate per month is between 1-3% compared to lead-acid batteries which are about 30%. Max charge voltage is 14.6V and the discharge cut-off voltage is 10.5V. Max charge current is 50A and max discharge current is 50A / 170A(3s). Can be charged with solar chargers. Can be charged with most traditional lead-acid chargers that do not have “Desulfate” mode, provided the current levels do not exceed lithium battery charge specification. Using a traditional lead-acid charger that reaches 14.4-14.6 volts will allow the battery to be fully charged. Chargers that do not exceed 13.6 volts will only charge the battery to 50% capacity or less.
The best valued Lithium battery available. The Highest Quality Lithium avaialable. The only Bluetooth Lithium available. This battery is phenominal. I use 3 in series for a bass boat trolling motor. They run 8-10 hours on 50% trolling speed and at the end of the day are only down 15-20% and the power is constant, it doesn’t loose power, so I don’t have to dial the trolling motor up in speed at all. Just set it and go. The small size is great also. It gave me back a lot of used up space for lead acid batteries. And another important thing is the weight lost from getting rid of the lead acid. These batteries don’t corrode and stay clean and don’t heat and gas like the lead acid batteries, so much nicer! The only way to go. I highly reccomend this battery. Just plain awesome!
At the moment, our 50Ah will not be able to start engines that need 500 CCA. We are working on revising the design for future batteries to be able to start medium size engines. It should be able to start smaller engines up to 50hp.
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Rated 5 out of 5
modchiro (verified owner)–
Absolutely incredible product. I love the Bluetooth capabilities, quality of the product and the literature received prior to the product. Very useful information but highly recommend this product and company. TED R
You can run both an AGM and our Ionic Lithium battery in parallel to extend your run time. The Lithium will drain over time over several days/week when not in use when the two different chemistries are left connected. The two different batteries are at different resting voltage thus a drain will occur. No damage will happen when connected together. We will have a very high power battery in the near future.
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Brett –
I just bought a trolling motor for a kayak. Will the 30AH, 12 Volt battery be enough? I see others that bought multiple batteries. Thx
The 30Ah battery is to small. Everyone has been buying the 50Ah or the 100Ah battery for kayaks.
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Stephen Pritchett –
Running a Minn Kota 36v 112lb thrust trolling motor. What batteries do you all suggest? 50ah’s or 100ah’s? Also can I use the125ah as a cranking battery for my 1999 Mercury 225 EFI or will I just need to continue to use my flooded battery to keep the stator good
Depending on conditions and your fishing maybe. You really need two 100Ah batteries for fishing all day.
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Rated 5 out of 5
Mark Malcomb (verified owner)–
Pretty happy so far. Using on a mobility scooter. Nice to always know the charge level of the batteries. Running 2 in series with a 24v charger that came with scooter. Seems to work ok.
I believe your are referring to current discharge. The max continuous output current (Amps) is 50A. Batteries do have a little tolerance to go up a little higher.
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Kevin Larson –
I’m installing a minn kota terrova riptide 80 24v trolling motor. Minn Kota recommends agm batteries of at least 105AH. How would two ionic 50AH lithium batteries do on this set up?
Works great with my electric trolling motors. (28 and 36 pound thrust) The lighter weight of the battery ( I went from about 42 pounds to 14 pounds is so much easier and convenient) The Bluetooth feature is also nice and now I always know how much charge I have left. Thanks again.
First the process of ordering and receiving the product couldn’t have been easier ! Received on the date that was given, can’t ask for more than that. I have a Transom mount trolling motor on my kayak. Also a Lowerance fish finder , running both off of the same battery. Not one single issue and atleast 8 hours on the water both trips. Haven’t been under 50 % yet. Again what more can I ask for ? Oh and did I mention only a fraction of the weight of my old AGM battery.
I started my purchase by calling for technical advise and was surprised at how much time they spent on the phone with me, I topically have more questions than most want to discuss, lol. I moved forward with the order online and battery arrived as advertised. I got it installed in my kayak and installed a Lowrance live 12” with active target over the weekend. I love the Bluetooth technology built into the battery. I plan to get out on the water in the next few days to test the life of the battery. I will be buying more of the batteries when replacing the ones in my bass boat. By the way, didn’t do 5 stars because want to get on the water first, but it is 5 on the service.
Great products and customer service is second to none. Have used the batteries a couple of times and after fishing all day in either substantial wind or offshore with spot lock for lengthy periods of time and I still had 90% or more battery life left. Love the Bluetooth capability of the batteries. Great feature.
After placing my order, I realized that I had ordered two battery trays by mistake. Called first thing the next morning to see if I could get it changed. No problem I was told. Revised order to one tray and credited my card immediately. Batteries and tray shipped out next day after order was placed and I had them a couple days later. Great company to do business with.
I bought this to use as an auxiliary battery for my VW Vanagon Westfalia. It fits under the driver’s seat with room to spare. The BMS works with a standard battery isolator. I haven’t gone on any extended camping trips, but it’s worked well so far. I’ve used it a couple times to assist the starting battery when that was low on charge.
The output voltage would depend on how much current is being drawn. With lighter loads 5-10Amps it will stay above 12.8V-13V.
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Rated 5 out of 5
Hilton Frizell –
The customer service for Lithium Hub is outstanding. I received my two 50 amp batteries with in days of the order. The Bluetooth feature allows constant monitoring of the batteries condition. I purchased for use on my kayak. They have proved to be lightweight and long lasting.
If you have questions they have answers.
I use it in conjunction with a sine wave inverter to power two 150W guitar amps various effects for outdoor music performance. I have only used it twice so far but the performance has been great. The signal is very clean, possibly even more that standard AC. I had tried a few other systems but they all created a line hum that would not go away. That and/or they were much to bulky and cumbersome. Both the battery and the inverter are presentable as well, they look neat. The battery is also very light, which is a huge plus.
Using for my trolling motor setup. The customer service is excellent. I have utilized the battery on multiple occasions. Lightweight and long lasting, the Bluetooth feature allows constant battery monitoring. Good product, good company!
Great batteries! I have three 50AH on my ultrex and have fished from daylight to dark and they were still at 64%. They are compact, lightweight and charge really fast.
Best Lithium’s for the money. High quality, light weight, ample power for all day tournaments or fun fishing. The Bluetooth feature to monitor the batteries health is amazing. Will buy again. Highly recommended.
First tournament outing today. 24 volt Ultrex running 5-10 on the speed setting. Fished 7-2:15 Used 25% with an amp draw of 42 running the trolling motor wide open. Very impressed. Fished into high winds with no resistance. No complaints
These batteries are phenomenal! I needed to replace my trolling motor batteries. I bought these on recommendation from several others. After looking at the cost of good lead acid batteries and their past performance, or lack there of. I decided to spend the extra few bucks on these.
These things are worth every penny! From trolling motor performance to the amount of runtime. Not to mention increase in speed out of the boat by shedding 150lbs worth of weight. I highly recommend these batteries to anyone looking to up their performance all the way around.
Amazed at the size and performance of these little batteries! I bought 3 of the 12v 50Ah and I can’t run them down! In fact, when one of the banks went out on my charger I switch to 24V on my Lowrance Ghost TM and still can’t run these batteries down. Customer service is fantastic as well!
If your charger like the Minn Kota Precision, chargers 14.2V to 14.4V your charger will work. Chargers charging over 15V should not be used as well as chargers with “desulfation” or balancing mode. Lithiumhub does sell ionic chargers as well that can be found here: https://lithiumhub.com/product/ionic-four-bank-charger/
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mat kevil –
Will a regular charger work for these or do you need a special charger? and will the work for a cranking battery/main boat power?
The Ionic 12V100Ah and 12V125Ah can be used as a dual purpose battery to start engines up to 250Hp.
If your charger, chargers 14.2V to 14.4V your charger will work. Chargers charging over 15V should not be used as well as chargers with “desulfation” or balancing mode. Lithiumhub does sell chargers as well that can be found here: https://lithiumhub.com/product/ionic-four-bank-charger/
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Ron Flach –
Will this battery accept charge from my 20hp Merc outboard motor?
The max current output continuously for the 12V50Ah is 50A. It will peak up to 170A for 3 seconds.
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Rated 5 out of 5
M Rowe (verified owner)–
Batteries are awesome! Fished all day in a tournament with Minn Kota Ultrex and batteries only went down to 89%. Very impressed so far. Have only been out twice but both times same result.
I was a skeptic at first, but man, these things are fricking awesome! I got 3 50ah running my 36v ultrex and it lasts forever!! I would highly recommend these batteries to anyone!
I’m amazed that I have a trolling motor that can consume up to 56 amps, and I have two 50 amp hour lithium Hub batteries that have
Lasted for 30 days here at the lake with me fishing for one to three hours a day, and they are still 60% charged. I usually run my troller on 20 to 30%. Still the batteries are only depleted by 40%. I haven’t had them long but at this rate I’ll be a huge fan. Oh, by the way, I love the Bluetooth app.
I called to enquire about the batteries. The gentleman I spoke with was very helpful and knowledgeable. I bought three 50ah batteries, charger and tray. The batteries work great, went to Kerr Reservoir for a tournament. I fished three days of practice averaged about 6 hours per day and had 48 percent of battery life left. Fished two days of the tournament and had 51 percent left. Very pleased.
I have a Minn Kota Precision MK440 4 bank/10 Amp charger. The charger offers 3 settings….Flooded, AGM, Gel. What setting should I set the charger on to charge your Lithium’s properly
Here is my full review on Lithium Ionic Batteries! So far they have been working great! I will do a follow up review when i am done fishing the rest of my 2020 BassMaster Eastern Open Schedule. More reviews as well as exciting fishing content to come. Please subscribe!
Used for the first time, I’m using three 50ah for my Ghost trolling motor. 1/2 day on the water, light wind still 98% charged.
Fishing a tournament Saturday, won’t even recharge till afterwards.
Holeshot noticably quicker !
Jerry Bullaboy –
The best valued Lithium battery available. The Highest Quality Lithium avaialable. The only Bluetooth Lithium available. This battery is phenominal. I use 3 in series for a bass boat trolling motor. They run 8-10 hours on 50% trolling speed and at the end of the day are only down 15-20% and the power is constant, it doesn’t loose power, so I don’t have to dial the trolling motor up in speed at all. Just set it and go. The small size is great also. It gave me back a lot of used up space for lead acid batteries. And another important thing is the weight lost from getting rid of the lead acid. These batteries don’t corrode and stay clean and don’t heat and gas like the lead acid batteries, so much nicer! The only way to go. I highly reccomend this battery. Just plain awesome!
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George Kimball –
3 12v 50ah will run a 112 lb trolling motor all day?
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MK (verified owner) –
yes if you are not on high speed every where you troll.
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Thomas Huckaby –
Can you run two 50ah lithium batteries in series with a standard agm battery to create a 36v system?
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MK (verified owner) –
Yes, you can put multiple batteries in series along with using other chemistries such as a lead acid battery to have 36V.
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Ronald Flach –
Does it have enough CCA to start outboard motor? Mfg require 500 amps.
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MK (verified owner) –
At the moment, our 50Ah will not be able to start engines that need 500 CCA. We are working on revising the design for future batteries to be able to start medium size engines. It should be able to start smaller engines up to 50hp.
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modchiro (verified owner) –
Absolutely incredible product. I love the Bluetooth capabilities, quality of the product and the literature received prior to the product. Very useful information but highly recommend this product and company. TED R
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Frank Young –
Can I mix those battery with AGM batteries for car audio
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MK (verified owner) –
You can run both an AGM and our Ionic Lithium battery in parallel to extend your run time. The Lithium will drain over time over several days/week when not in use when the two different chemistries are left connected. The two different batteries are at different resting voltage thus a drain will occur. No damage will happen when connected together. We will have a very high power battery in the near future.
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Brett –
I just bought a trolling motor for a kayak. Will the 30AH, 12 Volt battery be enough? I see others that bought multiple batteries. Thx
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MK (verified owner) –
The 30Ah battery is to small. Everyone has been buying the 50Ah or the 100Ah battery for kayaks.
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Stephen Pritchett –
Running a Minn Kota 36v 112lb thrust trolling motor. What batteries do you all suggest? 50ah’s or 100ah’s? Also can I use the125ah as a cranking battery for my 1999 Mercury 225 EFI or will I just need to continue to use my flooded battery to keep the stator good
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MK (verified owner) –
98% of my customers buy 3 of the 50Ah batteries for trolling and A 125Ah battery for starting and graphs. yes it will start your engine.
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Timmy –
Would 2 12 volt 50 Amp be enough to power a 80lb Ultrex on a phoenix 919 for 8 hrs of fishing?
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MK (verified owner) –
Depending on conditions and your fishing maybe. You really need two 100Ah batteries for fishing all day.
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Mark Malcomb (verified owner) –
Pretty happy so far. Using on a mobility scooter. Nice to always know the charge level of the batteries. Running 2 in series with a 24v charger that came with scooter. Seems to work ok.
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Joe –
What is the max output voltage of the 50 ah battery?
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MK (verified owner) –
I believe your are referring to current discharge. The max continuous output current (Amps) is 50A. Batteries do have a little tolerance to go up a little higher.
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Kevin Larson –
I’m installing a minn kota terrova riptide 80 24v trolling motor. Minn Kota recommends agm batteries of at least 105AH. How would two ionic 50AH lithium batteries do on this set up?
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MK (verified owner) –
For a 24 volt trolling motor you need two 100Ah batteries. With the 50Ah batteries you will not be able to run high speed. It will draw to many amps.
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Eric morgan –
Will 3 12v 50ah run my 36volt 112 minn kota and enjoy the day
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MK (verified owner) –
Yes sir, that is what 98% of what my customers buy.
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Brian Michael (verified owner) –
Will a 12v 50ah battery give me good run time on a 15 ” led lightbar and a 13v halogen sealed beam headlight for frogging ?
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MK (verified owner) –
Fine out how many amps they draw and divide into 50 and that will tell how many hour it will last.
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Lynn Favors –
I have a 36 volt set up I went with the 3-50 ‘s and love them wish I had bought the cranking battery while they we’re on sale
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Carl Fong (verified owner) –
Works great with my electric trolling motors. (28 and 36 pound thrust) The lighter weight of the battery ( I went from about 42 pounds to 14 pounds is so much easier and convenient) The Bluetooth feature is also nice and now I always know how much charge I have left. Thanks again.
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JJ (verified owner) –
Small, light and a perfect fit for my 45lb thrust troller in a 8½ John boat
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Richard (verified owner) –
This product is very good and does what it’s supposed to do. Thanks
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Jerry Gallogly (verified owner) –
Nice to have some great lightweight IonicBlueBatteries running my trolling motor.
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Jimmy (verified owner) –
First the process of ordering and receiving the product couldn’t have been easier ! Received on the date that was given, can’t ask for more than that. I have a Transom mount trolling motor on my kayak. Also a Lowerance fish finder , running both off of the same battery. Not one single issue and atleast 8 hours on the water both trips. Haven’t been under 50 % yet. Again what more can I ask for ? Oh and did I mention only a fraction of the weight of my old AGM battery.
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Will Duncan (verified owner) –
I started my purchase by calling for technical advise and was surprised at how much time they spent on the phone with me, I topically have more questions than most want to discuss, lol. I moved forward with the order online and battery arrived as advertised. I got it installed in my kayak and installed a Lowrance live 12” with active target over the weekend. I love the Bluetooth technology built into the battery. I plan to get out on the water in the next few days to test the life of the battery. I will be buying more of the batteries when replacing the ones in my bass boat. By the way, didn’t do 5 stars because want to get on the water first, but it is 5 on the service.
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Craig Miller (verified owner) –
Great products and customer service is second to none. Have used the batteries a couple of times and after fishing all day in either substantial wind or offshore with spot lock for lengthy periods of time and I still had 90% or more battery life left. Love the Bluetooth capability of the batteries. Great feature.
After placing my order, I realized that I had ordered two battery trays by mistake. Called first thing the next morning to see if I could get it changed. No problem I was told. Revised order to one tray and credited my card immediately. Batteries and tray shipped out next day after order was placed and I had them a couple days later. Great company to do business with.
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Ken (verified owner) –
I bought this to use as an auxiliary battery for my VW Vanagon Westfalia. It fits under the driver’s seat with room to spare. The BMS works with a standard battery isolator. I haven’t gone on any extended camping trips, but it’s worked well so far. I’ve used it a couple times to assist the starting battery when that was low on charge.
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William –
What is the output voltage of your Ionic 12V deep cycle lithium 50A battery?
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MK –
The output voltage would depend on how much current is being drawn. With lighter loads 5-10Amps it will stay above 12.8V-13V.
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Hilton Frizell –
The customer service for Lithium Hub is outstanding. I received my two 50 amp batteries with in days of the order. The Bluetooth feature allows constant monitoring of the batteries condition. I purchased for use on my kayak. They have proved to be lightweight and long lasting.
If you have questions they have answers.
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Tom (verified owner) –
I use it in conjunction with a sine wave inverter to power two 150W guitar amps various effects for outdoor music performance. I have only used it twice so far but the performance has been great. The signal is very clean, possibly even more that standard AC. I had tried a few other systems but they all created a line hum that would not go away. That and/or they were much to bulky and cumbersome. Both the battery and the inverter are presentable as well, they look neat. The battery is also very light, which is a huge plus.
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Tim –
Using for my trolling motor setup. The customer service is excellent. I have utilized the battery on multiple occasions. Lightweight and long lasting, the Bluetooth feature allows constant battery monitoring. Good product, good company!
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Todd –
Great batteries! I have three 50AH on my ultrex and have fished from daylight to dark and they were still at 64%. They are compact, lightweight and charge really fast.
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Steve (verified owner) –
Best Lithium’s for the money. High quality, light weight, ample power for all day tournaments or fun fishing. The Bluetooth feature to monitor the batteries health is amazing. Will buy again. Highly recommended.
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Eric Barbier (verified owner) –
First tournament outing today. 24 volt Ultrex running 5-10 on the speed setting. Fished 7-2:15 Used 25% with an amp draw of 42 running the trolling motor wide open. Very impressed. Fished into high winds with no resistance. No complaints
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Dave Mangelsdorf (verified owner) –
These batteries are phenomenal! I needed to replace my trolling motor batteries. I bought these on recommendation from several others. After looking at the cost of good lead acid batteries and their past performance, or lack there of. I decided to spend the extra few bucks on these.
These things are worth every penny! From trolling motor performance to the amount of runtime. Not to mention increase in speed out of the boat by shedding 150lbs worth of weight. I highly recommend these batteries to anyone looking to up their performance all the way around.
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mike_malinao@yahoo.com (verified owner) –
Amazed at the size and performance of these little batteries! I bought 3 of the 12v 50Ah and I can’t run them down! In fact, when one of the banks went out on my charger I switch to 24V on my Lowrance Ghost TM and still can’t run these batteries down. Customer service is fantastic as well!
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Edward –
Does the minn Kota precision charger(4 bank) work to charge these batteries ?
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MK –
If your charger like the Minn Kota Precision, chargers 14.2V to 14.4V your charger will work. Chargers charging over 15V should not be used as well as chargers with “desulfation” or balancing mode. Lithiumhub does sell ionic chargers as well that can be found here: https://lithiumhub.com/product/ionic-four-bank-charger/
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mat kevil –
Will a regular charger work for these or do you need a special charger? and will the work for a cranking battery/main boat power?
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MK –
The Ionic 12V100Ah and 12V125Ah can be used as a dual purpose battery to start engines up to 250Hp.
If your charger, chargers 14.2V to 14.4V your charger will work. Chargers charging over 15V should not be used as well as chargers with “desulfation” or balancing mode. Lithiumhub does sell chargers as well that can be found here:
https://lithiumhub.com/product/ionic-four-bank-charger/
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Ron Flach –
Will this battery accept charge from my 20hp Merc outboard motor?
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MK (verified owner) –
Yes, our ionic lithium batteries can be charged with regular gas engines without any modifications.
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Jay Ringhofer –
When do you expect to sell a 60ah – 80ah 12V? Anything bigger than 50 but less than 100.
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MK –
At the moment, We don’t plan on having a 12V 60-80Ah battery.
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William Figueroa –
What is the max output voltage on your 12V deep cycle lithium battery?
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MK –
The max current output continuously for the 12V50Ah is 50A. It will peak up to 170A for 3 seconds.
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M Rowe (verified owner) –
Batteries are awesome! Fished all day in a tournament with Minn Kota Ultrex and batteries only went down to 89%. Very impressed so far. Have only been out twice but both times same result.
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Cole Lunser (verified owner) –
I was a skeptic at first, but man, these things are fricking awesome! I got 3 50ah running my 36v ultrex and it lasts forever!! I would highly recommend these batteries to anyone!
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Gary Morgan (verified owner) –
I’m amazed that I have a trolling motor that can consume up to 56 amps, and I have two 50 amp hour lithium Hub batteries that have
Lasted for 30 days here at the lake with me fishing for one to three hours a day, and they are still 60% charged. I usually run my troller on 20 to 30%. Still the batteries are only depleted by 40%. I haven’t had them long but at this rate I’ll be a huge fan. Oh, by the way, I love the Bluetooth app.
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Donnie Bowman –
I called to enquire about the batteries. The gentleman I spoke with was very helpful and knowledgeable. I bought three 50ah batteries, charger and tray. The batteries work great, went to Kerr Reservoir for a tournament. I fished three days of practice averaged about 6 hours per day and had 48 percent of battery life left. Fished two days of the tournament and had 51 percent left. Very pleased.
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Paul Heim (verified owner) –
Worked great and support was very helpful before purchase with questions.
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John Hansen –
I have a Minn Kota Precision MK440 4 bank/10 Amp charger. The charger offers 3 settings….Flooded, AGM, Gel. What setting should I set the charger on to charge your Lithium’s properly
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MK –
Most of our customers using lead acid chargers successfully have been using the AGM setting. Avoid turning on “Equalization” mode.
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James Pilarski (verified owner) –
Ran 1/2 day in current the whole time still had 81% in batteries
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IONIC LITHIUM BATTERY REVIEW. (YouTube)
Denis Karachopan (verified owner) –
Here is my full review on Lithium Ionic Batteries! So far they have been working great! I will do a follow up review when i am done fishing the rest of my 2020 BassMaster Eastern Open Schedule. More reviews as well as exciting fishing content to come. Please subscribe!
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DkTourFishing (verified owner) –
Subscribe to “DkTourFishing” @YouTube for more!
Denis Karachopan~ 2020 Bass Master Opens Pro
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Charles Watts (verified owner) –
Used for the first time, I’m using three 50ah for my Ghost trolling motor. 1/2 day on the water, light wind still 98% charged.
Fishing a tournament Saturday, won’t even recharge till afterwards.
Holeshot noticably quicker !
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